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Meme from selenak

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Give me a character and I will tell you...

* How I feel about this character
* All the people I ship romantically with this character
* My non-romantic OTP for this character
* My unpopular opinion about this character
* One thing I wish would happen / had happened with this character in canon.
* Something about them I consider true, even though it's only my head canon/fanon

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kikimay
Apr. 12th, 2014 09:38 pm (UTC)
Angel!
itsnotmymind
Apr. 13th, 2014 02:07 pm (UTC)
* I like him, have always liked him, but he's never been one of my absolute favorites.

* Mainly Darla, and uh, Darla. That about covers it.

* Wesley (for some reason I don't ship him and Wesley romantically, although I care about their relationship) or Connor.

* I am so bad at judging what opinions are popular or unpopular. I don't think he has any chemistry with Buffy. I think that's unpopular.

* Can't think of anything. Getting his own show gave him plenty of attention from the writers. I would have liked to see more of how his relationship with Connor went after the AtS finale (maybe comics cover this? but I don't read comics).

* I don't think I have anything like this for Angel.
selenak
Apr. 13th, 2014 02:14 pm (UTC)
Jack Harkness.
itsnotmymind
Apr. 13th, 2014 02:40 pm (UTC)
* I adore him. Except when he is letting me down by giving children to aliens, then I adore him in a love-hate sort of way.

* I used to really ship him with Martha Jones. Beyond that I'm not sure I ship him with anyone, although clearly he is madly in love with the doctor and I had nothing against Jack/Ianto. I like Jack/Gwen, although I sort of prefer her with Rhys. I liked the guy in the flashback of that one S4 episode, too. Sometimes I ship Jack/Owen.

* Jack and Owen, of course!

* I blame him more for killing Steven than most of fandom seems to. Yes, he was in a difficult position, but it was partly his fault that he was in the situation in the first place.

* I really like your idea (that was yours, right?) of him being haunted by Owen's ghost for all eternity.

* I don't know if this is canon or fanon, but I think Gwen was his favorite of his team, even more so than Ianto (or Owen, for that matter).
selenak
Apr. 14th, 2014 05:55 am (UTC)
Yes, Ghost!Owen haunting Jack was my idea. One day I'm going to write that story, I swear. :)

I blame him more for killing Steven than most of fandom seems to. Yes, he was in a difficult position, but it was partly his fault that he was in the situation in the first place.

I think most of fandom is too busy with the "Ianto dies!" part to take in anything else about Children of Earth, including the main themes and the big climax, if you want my cynical opinion. Mind you, I do remember at the time, after Day 3 revealed Jack had been the man handing over the children in the 60s, that this was an unforgivable retcon changing his character, and thought, um, did we all forget that season 1 episode where he hands over a child to the (definitely not nice and fluffy) fairies? He doesn't do that kind of thing all the time, obviously, whereas he tries to save people on a regular basis. But he does do that, there was precedent.

One of the aspects of CoE to me was that Frobisher in the present was in a way Jack in the 60s. Once you are ready to sacrifice people to save a larger number, at which number do you draw the line? A bus full of children is a necessary sacrifice, but one tenth of the world's population is unthinkable? (Someone stop me before I sound like Jean-Luc Picard in one of the more mediocre TNG outings, Insurrection.) And of course neither Jack (in the 60s) nor Frobisher in the present were the original decision makers, they were following orders, but they chose to follow them. So of course the story eventually had to turn on them, and it were Frobisher's children asked for, and Steven as the only child available. That Frobisher killing his children and himself was a despairing nihilistic act whereas Jack killing Steven saved the world was a big difference - the biggest - , yes, but it doesn't take away the magnitude of what Jack does.

Miracle Day was a bit of a mess, but I thought the follow-up it gave Jack on this in his scene with Oswald the murderous pedophile, when Jack says that if you've killed a child, you can never forgive yourself, was good.
itsnotmymind
Apr. 14th, 2014 12:25 pm (UTC)
CoE raised all kinds of questions about where to draw the line in sacrificing for the greater good. My response has been all over the place--when I first watched the episodes I was sympathetic to Jack's choice to kill Steven, but then I read online reactions and got angry, and wasn't sympathetic at all. Then after my anger burned out I felt more sympathetic again.

Frobisher killing his children was his way of saving them from what he thought was a fate worse than death, but I always wondered if two other children were going to end up being sacrificed in their place. How OCD were those aliens, anyway?
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